PLEASE INCLUDE STATS AND RAKINGS in Quake Wars!

[ghaib]

The main reason I'm hooked to Battelfield 2 is because I can follow my progress and statistics all the time, on many stats websites. Also the rank possibility and new unlocks etc. are something that draws many players to the game.

Please include these things in ET: Quake Wars, it already looks like a much better game than BF2!

[Dazzamac]

Stay with Battlefield 2, please. Luckily so far QW is steering as far away from BF2 as possible because it is the biggest pile of dung ever to be released to the general public. The makers of it can burn in hell

[ghaib]

Stay with Battlefield 2, please. Luckily so far QW is steering as far away from BF2 as possible because it is the biggest pile of dung ever to be released to the general public. The makers of it can burn in hell

I agree that BF2 is probably the game with most bugs ever released, and looks like EA doens't give a sh*t...

But the stats/ranks part is true and innovative, it makes it an MMOFPS, and quite addictive (when it works :) )

[ayatollah]

You can follow your stats on SplatterLadder or csports...

Me I don't care about stats just enjoyment I garner from the game.

[Nail]

please, no permanent ranking, and especially no unlocks

[RosOne]

Get a pen, some paper and write your kills down. Yay, you've got stats :drink:

[Zenix]

Kills/Deaths/Accuracy, fine. Unlocks? No frickin way. Unlockable weapons in a MP FPS is just stupid.
And since you guys are already bashing BF2, I'd also like to say that it's a piece of crap, the bugs in BF2 make it completely unplayable for me.

[Bobes]

I like the stats but steer clear of the unlockables.

[Joe999]

Stay with Battlefield 2, please. Luckily so far QW is steering as far away from BF2 as possible because it is the biggest pile of dung ever to be released to the general public. The makers of it can burn in hell

i wanted to write something, but then i read what dazzamac wrote. i couldn't have said it better :D

still i wonder:

Please include these things in ET: Quake Wars, it already looks like a much better game than BF2!

are you judging from the barely dozen of pictures or the one short video? if you say that even these stills are better than the game you've played, how cum you want anything in et:qw that has the slightest similarity with bf2?

[ghaib]

Apperantly this is not a constructive forum...

I give up

[Svanire]

Stats ruined BF2.

[Joe999]

Apperantly this is not a constructive forum...

I give up

it is a constructive forum and afaik SD appreciates suggestions and they take every post into consideration.

but apperently you don't have any arguments to convice the readers here. only saying "it will be better" is not an argument. you better cum up with numbers, ideas and innovations than the feeling that arises out of your stomach :bump:

[etqw.at]

online stats and rankings are unimportant ;) (for me)

[Wils]

Apperantly this is not a constructive forum...

ghaib has a point - some of the replies above are less than constructive.

Oh, and Joe999:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=come :nod:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cum :nag:

:)

[Gringo]

Apperantly this is not a constructive forum...

It would seem that way, it just that so many people have already raised points similar to the one u have and now when a new one comes along most people go straight for the jugular! Dont take it personally, we detest BF2 and generally those who utter it's evil name get cast into the fire of Mount Doom.

On a totally unrelated topic, i would avoid persistant ranking. They are for people who feel inferior and have small knobs!

[ParanoiD]

Ok special reply, for all those EA Gamers who think BF2 is the best game ever:

1. Go to start -> Controll panel -> software -> uninstall BF2
2. Google for Enemy Territory sand find a good download server dl+install, then google for patch 1.02 for ET and dl+install, last but not least go to http://bani.anime.net/etpro and download + install etpro.
3. Fill a muck with coffee and use ur BF2 disk as muck holder, after drinking the coffee you will get the chance to play ET for some while. Dont forget to bring teh muck to dishwasher and dont forget to throw your BF2 disk in it as well.
4. Start Enemy Territory. Click on play online, lookm for a good nice server and start playing. You will be hooked.
5. Play Enemy territory till ur almost falling asleep. Shut down your pc. Lock the door. Open the finished dishwasher and pick out the BF2 CD, throw it in the microwave and turn it on, you are now sure you will never get the chance to install BF2 anymore.
6. Go to bed and start sleeping. Dream about your ET experiences, the nice community, thank SD in ur dreams for such a great game (for free!). Dream about ET and start loving it.
7. When you wake up, turn on your PC. The only thing you want is ET!! ET, ET, ET and ET. No mention of BF2, that game is just a piece of crap.

END OF INSTRUCTIONS. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGED CONTENT!

[FinMJR]

The stats system is the only good thing in BF2 I think. But not that good I would get the game, though.

[ayatollah]

@ParanoiD

:drink:

[ghaib]

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[kamikazee]

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Ah com'on, don't let 1 thread get you down. It's not because you like a feature others will probably never agree with, that we don't want you here. ;)

[Nail]

maybe go to EA forums, ask that BF2 be given ET gameplay

[kamikazee]

At least that's more worth a try instead of asking for BF2 features here... Might yield more results. :D

[Sauron|EFG]

Stop scaring away potential customers. :x

It is possible to like aspects of a game that you guys think is the "biggest pile of dung ever" (which surely isn't true) and still look forward to ET:QW.
It is possible to discuss features in a civilized way even if they are part of said game.

I'd rather explain why I think persistent ranking and unlocks is a bad idea and convince him to play ET:QW anyway than send him back to BF2. (Getting ET gameplay in BF2 could also mean fewer ET:QW players, so lets hope they don't make BF2 better.)

This isn't xfire.

[EB]

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Another person that has felt the brunt of splashdamage forumers.
Not such a good thing.

Ghaib, if you're still there, weed through the nonsense and discuss this with those who are on a level other than "flame".

[SniperSteve]

IT HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE THAT THERE WILL BE RANKS AND SUCH DURING THE CAMPAIGN, BUT ONLY FOR THAT CAMPAIGN!
After it is over everything will reset.

I would however like online stats that assign you a rank, but really no in game advantage. Just something to show that you're a veteren player, maybe like badges or something?

And according to the rules of MMO play, once your 'character/account/whatever' has a 'rank' or a 'status' you are more likly to continue playing that game, and more specificly that character/account than with normal Mplayer games where you assign yourself a name and just kill stuff.

If you have an account with online stats that means you have something that is persistant, which is a concept from MMO gameplay.

And yes, online stats mean the difference between playing a game as my main game and not playing a game much for me.

[kamikazee]

IT HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE THAT THERE WILL BE RANKS AND SUCH DURING THE CAMPAIGN, BUT ONLY FOR THAT CAMPAIGN!
After it is over everything will reset.

I would however like online stats that assign you a rank, but really no in game advantage. Just something to show that you're a veteren player, maybe like badges or something? Splatterladder! :P

[SniperSteve]

Yeah, but official > Splatterladder

[EB]

Can there please be a jump counter ? I want a water marked jump counter that tells me how many times I have EVER jumped. PLEASE ?! lol....j/k :nag: :tapir:

[Visceral*Scythian]

Another person that has felt the brunt of splashdamage forumers.
Not such a good thing.



This kind of reception is what turns so many people off to forums in general...I've seen this on so many different forums over the years.

Post something to arouse the ire of the forum grognards and be ridden out of town on a rail?

What kind of "Community" is that?

Personally I'd be less inclined to buy a game if I recieved such a sh!tty welcome on the developers forums...

[EB]

to add:
Not to mention that there is just no reason for such things.
edit*- I meant the brunt-ing.

[B0rsuk]

I would however like online stats that assign you a rank, but really no in game advantage. Just something to show that you're a veteren player, maybe like badges or something?


Typically, you recognize a veteran player when you see he's got very good aim, is good at teamwork and goes straight for objectives. Only the first can be easily measured, so what's the point of stats?
What does it tell you when you see a player with 5000xp on a server ? That he's playing Wolf:ET since yesterday. No indication of skill other than patience.
Stats breed the kind of player that votes to kick you after you fire the Rail Gun, or TK you if you're about to steal their plane. They care of nothing else than size of their penises. I hope such players won't switch from Battlefield 2. I don't want them to play ET:QW with me.

[SCDS_reyalP]

I agree, there's no reason to flame people just because they like some game feature you don't, or like a game you don't. OTOH, anyone who has frequented game forums before shouldn't be shocked by this kind of thing. People are rude on the internet. Get used to it or get out :moo:

My personal opinion is that BF2 style unlocks and medals have a negative impact overall. They encourage stat-whoring, and trying to enforce any anti-statpadding rules inevitably causes conflict. Simple kill/death/accuracy stats are less of a problem (since you don't get any real gameplay advantage) but they can still affect the game and cause conflict (things people /killing to avoid a 'death' or not gibbing to keep their ACC up).

For myself, the ideal to me would be optional detailed personal stats for each player on their own system, with no public stats at all, but any other system that doesn't give people gameplay advantages would be fine too. I play for the game, not the stats.

[Gringo]

Why do people want stats. So they can say "look at my stats, arent i sooooooooooo leet" or "it dont matter if i lost, my stats still say i got dem mad skillz" and so forth. Arogant knob jockeys!

It may breed players who are merely stat whores and not interested in the objectives. As long as they maintain a better kills to deaths ratio for example, they will be happy to rambo it up at the expense of their team mates so long as it improves their stats!

@teh flaming. It only a bit harmless banter i thought. I do feel with the impending release o QW alot of people have been turning up here asking silly questions at times which may try people's patience a bit.

In the spirt of reconciliation i offer thishttp://www.vplclan.org/forum/images/smiles/icon_bear.gif

[Lanz]

h = hype o'metre
s = sd fanboy level
v = The victim's number of forum posts
f = flame level

h * s
f = ------
v


And as it seems both the hype o'metre and the fanboy'ism are climbing through the roof here.

[shifty]

Ive seen BF2's ranking system and its really cool, i think it would be a big part of the game if you included ranks.

[Joe999]

Apperantly this is not a constructive forum...

I give up

pleazzzzze, don't expect everyone to agree with what you say. i just took a look in the bf2 forum. i was wondering if you're more constructive there. apperently you aren't. besides your bashing of developers and publisher, i think you should read your own words and think them over, like in here:

Which EA IDIOT had the great idea to let server admins decide if it's possible/not possible to munity against a commander?
A lot of server have turned this off, so u can't vote munity at all... I've seen lots of times where commanders just sit on ground defence to get the hours...

http://totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48125

this "sitting around to get the hours" usually derives from permanent ranking because some guys simply keep xp-whoring just to rise their permanent rank.

you can read in the many previews and interviews here that permanent ranking was considered, but there were several important reasons why it was dropped:

http://www.splashdamage.com/index.php?name=pnPHPbb2&file=viewtopic&t=12809

again: if you want to convince people, you better come up with arguments, not with a feeling.

regarding:

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reading your bashing of developers and publisher and players on the bf2 forum, i wonder how long it would take you to start the same flaming here? i seriously wonder why they didn't already ban you from the bf2 forum.

Ive seen BF2's ranking system and its really cool, i think it would be a big part of the game if you included ranks.

@shifty: why do you think that? where's the advantage, where's the disadvantage? and most important: what benefit do ALL players get of it, not only you? throw in the arguments for discussion ;)

[Gringo]

Nice equation Lanz :clap:

[zeh]

Why do people want stats. So they can say "look at my stats, arent i sooooooooooo leet" or "it dont matter if i lost, my stats still say i got dem mad skillz" and so forth. Arogant knob jockeys!

Forum signature images with your kill/death ratio (or your unlocks, or your ribbons, or whatever maps you've played the most) are the new e-dick.

[Apocalypse]

Ok I seldom post here but this is something that I must speak out...

PLS do NOT have a stat system like BF2. I play BF2 (yes, am ashamed. I was scammed by the demo) and I hate the stat system.. it has brought nothing but frustration and problems to gameplay on the whole. Stat whores. Can you imagine XP whores in ET but 100x worse?

:moo:

[Gringo]

Point proven, well said mateyhttp://www.vplclan.org/forum/images/smiles/icon_thumbsup.gif

[Dazzamac]

What tries my patience is people who sign up to a forum, type up what they want to say without ever checking to see if its being discussed elsewhere. There are numerous threads here dedicated to persistant ranking and the argument has been won and laid to rest. Anyone who checks first would realise that it has been discussed, would have read the arguments for and against and if they still feel they have something to input they can reply to that thread constructively.

[vfn4i83]

Ok special reply, for all those EA Gamers who think BF2 is the best game ever:

1. Go to start -> Controll panel -> software -> uninstall BF2
2. Google for Enemy Territory sand find a good download server dl+install, then google for patch 1.02 for ET and dl+install, last but not least go to http://bani.anime.net/etpro and download + install etpro.
3. Fill a muck with coffee and use ur BF2 disk as muck holder, after drinking the coffee you will get the chance to play ET for some while. Dont forget to bring teh muck to dishwasher and dont forget to throw your BF2 disk in it as well.
4. Start Enemy Territory. Click on play online, lookm for a good nice server and start playing. You will be hooked.
5. Play Enemy territory till ur almost falling asleep. Shut down your pc. Lock the door. Open the finished dishwasher and pick out the BF2 CD, throw it in the microwave and turn it on, you are now sure you will never get the chance to install BF2 anymore.
6. Go to bed and start sleeping. Dream about your ET experiences, the nice community, thank SD in ur dreams for such a great game (for free!). Dream about ET and start loving it.
7. When you wake up, turn on your PC. The only thing you want is ET!! ET, ET, ET and ET. No mention of BF2, that game is just a piece of crap.

END OF INSTRUCTIONS. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGED CONTENT!


I liked ur imitation of EA suport, huahauhauhuhuahhua

U just forget of how the PC will be better without the star**** U, that cames with the game.

[Sauron|EFG]

There are numerous threads here dedicated to persistant ranking and the argument has been won and laid to rest.
Doesn't seem like it's laid to rest if you read people's replies in this thread. ;)

[Dazzamac]

everyone exept ghaib has said basically the same thing in response to it and there hasn't been a topic on it in a moth. Thats what I call laid to rest.

[ayatollah]

I think people shouldn't be allowed to post until they have 20 posts... :nag:

[RoXxOrS]

yeh no unlockables
and why not have an option of putting yourself on rankings while you are installing the game like punkbuster or gamespy

[Gringo]

why not have an option of putting yourself on rankings while you are installing the game like punkbuster or gamespy

Why should u?

[SniperSteve]

Can there please be a jump counter ? I want a water marked jump counter that tells me how many times I have EVER jumped. PLEASE ?! lol....j/k

I would love that.

But then again I'm a stat junkie.

(/wants to know how many miles his mouse has moved, and how many clicks he has done)

[SCi-Fi]

please dont do a BF2 as the Team play goes out of the window as they are looking out for themselves for grabbing as many points as possible, if that means naffing off with a vehicle and leaving a squad behind just so they can get a few points they will..

[SniperSteve]

please dont do a BF2 as the Team play goes out of the window as they are looking out for themselves for grabbing as many points as possible, if that means naffing off with a vehicle and leaving a squad behind just so they can get a few points they will..

Couldn't you have stats for doing team play based things aswell??

[B0rsuk]

Couldn't you have stats for doing team play based things aswell??

Define teamplay. No, I'm serious. Extra points for pseudocode version.

[Dazzamac]

^^^^ Its easy to award points for individual progress such as kills etc. Awarding points for defending an engineer trying to build a bridge is a tad more complicated.

[kamikazee]

If something like battlesense is possible, is there no way to reward squad play based on sticking close to each other?

[B0rsuk]

If something like battlesense is possible, is there no way to reward squad play based on sticking close to each other?

It's an incredibly naive way of defining teamplay. First of all, places "close" to each other can actually require lots of time to travel. You'd have to take walls into account.
I don't see how being far from each other makes teamplay impossible. If I warn Axis that some Allies are approaching via oasis tunnel, is that not an example of teamwork ? If I play as Covert Op and spot targets for mortar, we're far away, too. Besides, there are often situations where you want to spread and attack via all possible routes. On Gold Rush before tank is stolen, it's pretty hard to attack via only 1 entrance, because it can easily be spammed with artillery, camped with MG42, or just with rambomedics. However, using all 3 routes to attack makes defence much harder.
What about that Covert Op hiding in Fuel Dump and waiting for an engy to come ? He's not near any teammate, he could gain some xp by blowing up fence prematurely or kill 1-2 people before he's discovered and killed.
Measuring teamplay is nowhere as simple. But medics should be rewarded even for simply staying close to teammates, that's what they're supposed to be for. But because of ammo cabinets, xp rewards and Mega Ammo Packs typical medic is actually the most self-sufficient and antisocial of all classes.

[kamikazee]

I didn't say it's THE definition of teamplay and should be the primary factor. ;)
But it might be a start.

[B0rsuk]

I didn't say it's THE definition of teamplay and should be the primary factor. ;)
But it might be a start.

You'd find yourself expanding and tweaking it over and over, because there are so many things to take into account. And then there's the risk of players finding a way to exploit it and xp whoring.
You either have to implement it perfectly, or drop the idea of statistics. I bet you often see engineers repairing tank instead of planting dynamite at tank barrier. Because tank is instant xp, and barrier is more risky - you have to run forward, the dynamite can be disarmed, you need full energy bar to start... This means stats would have to work differently for each map. At the moment only Engineer xp is very map dependant, only rifle grenades are guarranteed to get eng exp.

[Lanz]

There's a lot of team specific rewards that could be easily implemented, like the example Dazzamac pointed out, defending an engineer while he build a bridge.For example by being close to the engineer, killing an enemy that fired against that engineer, killing enemies while being close to the engineer etc. All these would be very easy to implement. The problem is, it's not covering every situation, and would be hard/impossible to cover every situation in the code. That leads to two things: 1) People get annoyed when they don't get a reward for covering that engineer while doing something smart that doesn't give a bonus and 2) People obsessed with points will only do stuff that actually gives them point instead of what is best for the team at that moment.

Number 2 is always a problem as soon as you gain points in a game but would probably get bigger in a case like this.

[SCDS_reyalP]

The more complex you make your reward system, the more likely someone will find an un-intended way to exploit it.

[ChumChum]

much like the dollar menu at fast food restaurants

[shifty]

Wow guys, why dont you have some servers have un-ranked and others have ranked? every body wins! every body wins! every body wins!

[Joe999]

so your definite argument for pros and cons of rankings in quake wars are:

Ive seen BF2's ranking system and its really cool, i think it would be a big part of the game if you included ranks.

and

Wow guys, why dont you have some servers have un-ranked and others have ranked? every body wins! every body wins! every body wins!

i think every company should base their profit on similar conclusions ... would save a lot of time and money which is wasted on surveys, analyzation, discussion and argumentation :moo:

[KAGE]

i don't mind the global stats .. ranks ..maybe, but i don't want badges and bells, ribbons and whisles. etc
if i can see my overalll accuracy and kill streaks etc. that would be good, but i don't want the it so that as soon as you enter a games you have all this 1337 shit. i prefer to earn it each time it makes for exciting gameplay. and have the unlocks reset that the end of the camaign.




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